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MAC DEMARCO

Interviewed by Kai Slater

JAR JAR OR YODA

Ooh, that’s really hard. I think Jar Jar, just because I gotta go with the underdog. Nobody likes Jar Jar. You know, I had a Jar Jar fan club in high school. That’s awesome.

4 TRACKS OR 24 TRACKS

Another tough one. Here’s the thing, I got another 24 track at home but yesterday I actually picked up a 4 track upstate and I recorded with it last night, it sounds really good. So right now, I think I’m gonna go 4 track. This is different from the Jujitsu one? Yeah, I got the Jujitsu one but I picked up an Otari machine yesterday. Why I’m buying all these tape machines when I’m about thousand of miles away from my house, I don’t know, but here I go!


FAVORITE NOODLE SIZE

It depends on what I’m eating. With spaghetti, well… Say for example, I’m very particular with Vietnamese pho. I need the noodles to be the small thin ones, which I think is from a certain region of Vietnam. There’s another part that has flat noodles, but I don’t like the flat noodles, so. The small ones, or, but then say you’re eating udon, then you obviously want udon noodles or with stir fry, I’m more partial to the thick ones. With pasta, angel hair pasta can be good but also normal spaghetti noodles. I don’t know. I think I’m just gonna say macaroni elbow, let’s go. No problem. You’re pragmatic, that’s good. You gotta be particular, because if you aren’t then what’s the point? What’s the point with no fun in eating?

FAVORITE SIMPSONS EPISODE

I’ve been asked this before, but I don’t know. Maybe, there’s some that stand out to me, that I remember from when I was a kid. The monorail episode is great, the one with “Lisa, it’s your birthday”, the Michael Jackson impersonator one. I always loved the episode where Bart and Milhouse drink the nuclear slushie, the Kwik-E-Mart slushie and they start hallucinating. I don’t know, what other episodes? The one with, “we’re talking Homer, Marty and the slaw!”, like, the baseball episode, I love that. There’s a lot but those are the ones that stick out most to me. Have you seen the B-Sharps one? Oh, where they start the barbershop thing? That one’s great too. That one’s pretty Mac DeMarco. I feel like that’s the vibe, encapsulated. Hey, I like it! (laughs)

“GIGI BUNGSU”

I always thought it was Vietnamese. Someone told me it was the Vietnamese translation for “wisdom teeth”. I may be wrong, and I probably said it completely wrong in that little recording [on ‘Goodbye Weekend’/’Gigi Bungsu’]. But for a long time in my late teens, early 20s, I let my wisdom teeth grow through instead of going to the dentist because I had no money, and I was living in strange places, so… There were quite a few years there when I was in a lot of pain because I was just letting my teeth rip through these flesh in the back of my mouth. And at one point, it got so bad in Montreal, it was right after I had recorded the Rock and Roll Night Club record, I got really sick because of it and I think I got tonsillitis at the same time, and I couldn’t get out of bed for a week and a half. I lost all this weight, and I remember getting up and going to this hangout at some art opening and I was like, “Wow, I’m so skinny!” And everyone was like, “Are you ok? You look so fucked up, are you gonna die?” And I was like, “Nah! I look good.” And they were like, “You look so emaciated, it’s so bad”. After that point, they grew in. I went to the dentist, and they were like, “Your teeth grew in. You got room in your mouth, so it’s no big deal”. Damn, so you just took it like a man, let it rip through. It sucked, I don’t recommend it to anybody. But yeah, I just kind of let it go. That’s insane, that’s crazy. Fucking badass. And then, I was watching this video, this really crazy video which I was gonna ask about, the Captured Tracks 5th anniversary special, and you’re drumming… Oh, in Shitfather. Yeah, so, and then you mention that when you got signed to Captured Tracks, you had tonsillitis. Was this the same time? That’s the same thing, yeah. But with that band, it was me and my friend Matt Kallman, and Dustin from Beach Fossils and Jack from Wild Nothing and Cole from DIIV. Matt Kallman plays in that band Real Estate… was that all of us? I guess that was all of us. We were a cover band, because Captured had said that it was the 5 year anniversary special, or like a festival. So we covered a bunch of Cleaners from Venus songs, and some old Blank Dogs songs…And The Wake! Yeah, and I just played drums which is great. You’re ripping it, man!
 I’m having a good time. And on the Cleaners From Venus, I really wanted to see that new documentary and I guess you were in it. I can’t find it anywhere. I still haven’t seen it, actually, I’d love to see it too!

And same with the R Stevie Moore one, I couldn’t see that for a while but that got uploaded a week ago, or a month ago. Yeah, I think I have a second in that one as well. God bless my love of Cleaners, my love of Stevie. They’re all great music. I guess that was a while ago. (laughs) I look younger? Well, uh, it looks like you’re not in LA. I think in the Stevie one, it was when was still living in New York so it was 5-6 years ago. So it took a while to come out. The Cleaners one, I don’t remember when we shot that or what we did for it, but probably both would’ve been while I was still in New York. We lived in the Rockaway Peninsula, so in a little neighborhood called Far Rockaway. It was cool, it’s like a little beach town. There’s beaches down there, but we lived on the base side. I liked living down there. It’s more like you’re living in a town outside of New York, it’s a ways away. And it’s part of Queens, but it doesn’t really feel like you’re in Queens, even. It kinda feels like you live in Long Island, or something. But I like it down there. It’s an interesting community. Were you having a lot of people visit you?
 When I put the address out, yeah. There was a ton of people. But, before I did that no one came up. None of my friends would come down there. I feel like there’s a thing with New York where there’s a couple neighborhoods in Brooklyn or in the lower east side that people stick to and that’s New York, and you don’t really go and slip out of your comfort zone and go explore the other parts of the city. But, I don’t know, it’s weird. I was lucky that I met some people that grew up in Queens, so I kind of got the opportunity to see a little bit more of the city and find some weird spots, and have a different experience. Do you feel like that influenced your move? Just having the onslaught [of people]. By the time that we moved, it had become pretty mellow at that house, in terms of the fanfare of kids pulling up. There were a couple kids that would show up but it was a year after, or a couple years after the record came out. And I always enjoyed it, I thought it was great. You would never have any weird, scary problems or anything. There were some strange people that came, but I love strange people so it’s no problem. But, I was trying to find another house out there, or in New York in general and it was so expensive and so difficult that we decided to go to LA, and Kiera [Mac’s SO] had never been to LA. And now LA is incredibly impossible to get a house in. But, I don’t know, it was just a spur of the moment kind of vibe.

CELEBRITY CRUSH

Right now, hm…If you don’t have one right now, you could do a past one. No, I’m gonna do one that has been in the past and is still valid today, it’s a lifetime thing for me. We’ll go with Linda Cardellini. You know who she is? Oh, like in Freaks and Geeks?
 Yeah, and now she’s in the Marvel movies and the Green Book movies, she’s all over the place. And she was in Scooby Doo, right?
 This is also true, I think. I love Linda, I think she’s wonderful. I was a big Freaks and Geeks fan when I was younger, and I actually wrote a couple songs about her, when I was 17 or 18, I never ended up actually recording them. But, yeah, Linda Cardellini. Love her. I guess there was also a Marylin Monroe thing?
 I love Marylin Monroe, yeah. I think she’s beautiful. She was talented and amazing. But there was a song about her. Yeah, I was kind of intrigued…there’s this thing about Marylin Monroe where she’s this omnipresent image of beauty. She’s on the posters, there’s a couple images of her that are just everywhere. And I was like, “what is this?” I never understood it. Like, “What is this blonde bomb shell thing, what’s the big deal?” And then I watched some of her movies, and I was like, oh my god, she has this magnetism. I don’t know, sometimes you kind of think, “Aw, what is this?”, it’s getting shoved down your throat. But then you experience why everybody’s obsessed, and you’re like, “Oh, wow, she’s incredible”. So, yeah, I don’t know. It was just at some point for me, I don’t know. Once you see the aura or how someone carries themself, then you get it. Yeah, exactly. She’s really cool. Very interesting life, and life story too. God bless her.

CELEBRITY LOOKALIKE

When I was a young, young man in high school there were a couple instances where people thought I looked like Zac Efron, but I think those days are long behind me now! (laughs) Zach Efron, holy shit. That was before all of the poor lifestyle choices and before all the food and alcohol and cigarettes took their effect. I don’t know, but now, Ernest Borgnine, or something? I used to get Elijah Wood a little bit when I was younger, too.

FAVORITE BEATLE/BEATLES ALBUM

It would probably be either Abbey Road or the White Album. I love Let It Be, but I feel like everybody’s had a lot of Let It Be in the last couple years. But yeah, I love the White Album. Especially the second side, where it’s like, “Did you really have to put this song on here?”, and I’m like, “Thank you for doing this, this is so strange”. I like the sound, it’s kind of scrappy sounding. But favorite Beatle, I don’t know. It’s hard to pick a favorite. You know what, I’ll just go with Ringo. I’m always weighing all the other three’s songs against each other, but Ringo? God bless him. Right, exactly! His drumming, is just…He’s an incredible, incredible drummer and incredible guy.

VIDEO GAMES

When I was a kid, I was interested. Cuz it was like the heyday of video games. The Super Nintendo was ripping, and when the Nintendo 64 came out, it was like, holy shit. That was crazy. And I remember when the PS2 came out. We only had the NES when I was a kid, we never had a Super Nintendo. But we had a PlayStation 1 at some point, we had a N64 at some point, which was dope. And I think I got the PS2 on my own. But there was something about that era, especially the Super Nintendo. My mom didn’t get us one, but we had a pretty slow home computer, like dialup and the whole thing, Windows 98, probably, but I figured out how to emulate those games there. And, it all started with liking those Final Fantasy games. I liked them a lot, and that was kind of my introduction to role playing games. I loved those, I loved the early ones, like 4, 5, 6, 7, whatever. I played 8 and 9 when they came out, and 10. 10 is kind of where I stopped. But through that, it led me through games like Earthbound or Chrono Trigger, other games in that universe. And, I don’t know if I was ever necessarily good at video games, but what I liked from these games was the world building that they’re so good at and the stories and the music! The music I really liked. Even today, still. I think the only music that I’ve consistently had on my iPod or MP3 player, consistently since I was 16 is a couple songs of the Final Fantasy 10 soundtrack. And even today, I show this record to people today, and they’re like, “Wow”. Like, it sounds great. I mean, It’s mostly MIDI instruments but the arrangements and the music is very strange and I really appreciate it. Yeah, you definitely have some of that in your music, I feel! I try, but it’s hard because a lot of those games, the music is written by very crazy composers. And of course Plantasia, all that stuff. Yeah, I love that. It kind of falls in the same lane as me. But, it’s interesting with stuff like video games or with anime. There’s a lot of these things where, I feel like the environment I grew up in, I loved these things and I was attracted to these things. And, I grew up with my mom having a bunch of homestay tenants living in the house. So, there were high school students from Shanghai, or Taipei, or Hong Kong. Usually East Asian kids would come over. It wasn’t like an exchange, they didn’t exchange with anybody. They just came and went to school here. But they would show me a bunch of shit before it had come out in the states, and I was like, “Wow, this is amazing!” But, it’s weird because at that point in time it was like, if you were into video games, you were a nerd. You’d get your ass kicked, especially when I was in junior high and high school. So I remember suppressing it quite a bit. Even like, the first years of doing music, when I should’ve been like, “I grew up listening to this music from these games and I love this stuff, it’s interesting, and you should give it a try!” And I would say I loved rock and roll, and whatever. It’s funny that it’s come around and now everybody loves video games. Although I feel like video game companies made it more accessible to jocks with games like Call of Duty. But yeah, it’s interesting. There’s something about it. Yeah, definitely, and that sound, plus the 80s Japanese music and Southeast Asian music, I hear. I lived in Singapore and kind of just was around Southeast Asia. They have a crazy dish in Singapore that’s like a crazy king crab or something. Did you have that?
 Oh yeah, it was everywhere. Yeah, it’s like, spicy… Singapore’s cool. Have you been?
 Yeah, maybe three or four times. We did our own show there once, years and years ago. You ever hear of this artist called Eyedress? He’s doing really well right now, but back in the day he opened for us in Singapore, he had a different band called Bee Eyes. We played there with him, a long time ago. And we did this festival that’s mainly in Australia but starts in Singapore, it’s called Laneway Festival, we did that twice there. It’s a cool town, interesting. For sure. And it kind of reminds me of like, the South East Asian Vancouver, almost. Yeah, kinda!

FAVORITE DAVID LYNCH MOVIE

It’s split between Blue Velvet and Wild at Heart. Maybe Wild at Heart. My girlfriend Kiera, that’s her favorite movie still. Maybe I’ll have her have that one and go with Blue Velvet.

WHAT MAC DEMARCO IS UP TO NOW

I’m making a record called Five Easy Hot Dogs. I’ve been working on this record for…well, I’ve had the name for this record for several years now. And there’s been songs where I’m like, “maybe this’ll go on Five Easy Hot Dogs,” and it never has. But the newest iteration is I decided to leave Los Angeles in my truck and I packed up a bunch of gear. We played a show in San Francisco in the middle of January, and I had all this gear with me and then after the show, after everybody went home, I just started driving north up the coast. I’ve been driving around the continent by myself for three months now, almost. Maybe I will finish this album called Five Easy Hot Dogs, maybe I won’t. Who knows. But all that I’m really doing is living the exciting life, I’m seeing all the old friends and making new friends. I’m just doing it, because why not?
 And it’s just you?
 It’s just me. And you’re staying in hotels, or couch surfing? I’ve been staying with friends. I was lucky in New York, my friend Andrew gave me his house for a little while because he’s living out of town right now and my friend Lindsay was out of town so I stayed at her place for a little bit, and now I’m in a hotel again. I’m kind of just wherever I wind up. I went and saw some of my family in Canada that I hadn’t see in years, if I’m staying with family I’ll stay with them. But there’s no plan. This might be my last opportunity to do something like this, and I’ve traveled a lot in my life but traveling for me is different. You’re in a spot for a night, you play the show, you meet all these kids. Maybe you’ll see them the next time you come, maybe you won’t. Or if you’re playing in a place with a bunch of old friends, you’ll see all the old friends you ever had in that city but for only 5 minutes each and then you blast off. I’m just trying to get out there and breathe in the air a little bit. I really don’t know what I’m doing. I have rules, I’m not allowed to go home until the album’s done, which could be a very long time. I just don’t know. I’m just living my life, you know? I’ve realized over the course of my career, the music is one thing, but there’s also the personality and the life that I lead. That’s a big part of the art as well. For example, inviting all the people to my house, or doing this or that. It’s interesting, especially during coronavirus, I sat in my recording studio for 2 years and stared at the wall. And I made a lot of music, and I don’t know if a lot of it will come out but maybe some of it at some point. But it’s hard to look at the wall all day, and be like, “Well, alright. Another song about the wall today.” It doesn’t feel genuine to me, it doesn’t feel interesting. I want my life to be exciting, I want my art to be exciting. I want everything to be exciting.

I think especially right now, that everything’s opening up again, that the industry’s like, “Let’s get you out on the road, we didn’t make money for two years! Oh my god, we gotta do this!” It’s kind of like, “Well, I’m down to get on the road but I don’t want to do any shows!” (laughs). I mean, we have shows coming up, but…I feel like I spent 10 years making these connections in all these cities and meeting all these people and learning about all these different parts of the world, and now maybe it’s time to reap the benefits of that, and poke my head around. And people are like, “Do you have a show?” And I’m like, “No!” And they’re like, “Wow!” And I’m like, “That’s right, I’m just here!”

I’ll say this about touring too, it can definitely be hard but I think there’s a new kind of air or a new feeling about touring, especially, because I’m friends with a lot of bands that are quite a bit younger than me, and things are different now with the internet. You don’t have to go and tour. A lot of bands now will put something out, it blow ups online and their first show is for like 500 to a thousand people. It took me 6 years of playing to nobody, and I never thought I would be playing 500 person venues, that’s insane. But because I had to grind at it, I love it. I know a lot of people don’t like it, and I know it’s hard for a lot of people for one reason or the other. But I love getting up on stage in front of people, I love to share what I do. It’s so crazy to me that people care about it. You’re getting paid to travel the world, it’s amazing! And it is tough. I don’t drink anymore, but I used to drink a lot. I think it’s things like that, those parts make it difficult. I don’t like flying either, but if you were just cruising around doing your shows...I don’t know, I’m glad I did it the way I did it. But it’s interesting to do this right now, because I don’t think I know what going on vacation is. I don’t know what it is to be in a place and not have something to do. And even with this, here I am with all my studio gear and I still have something to do. But I love it. Being alive is great! That’s great! So, in the future, you have a few shows coming up. How would that setup look like? Would that be a full band? Yeah, we have a show here in New York on the 6th, and we have another festival a month after that in Salt Lake City, and we have a show in Mexico City. And after that we go to Europe, or something. But we don’t have any full, chunky tours right now. But we will, there’s some coming up later this year. But it’s gonna be interesting, because my band will meet me in these cities and, I’m thinking about driving to Salt Lake City and Mexico City, I’m not totally sure yet. But, we’ll see. I’m pulling a Chuck Berry kind of vibe, where it’s like, “Well, if you guys are there, I’ll pull up and we’ll do the show”. Is it a new band? Pretty much, I’ve got this kid named Daryl, he’s played with us since we’ve been doing shows out of coronavirus. I’ve got this kid JD Beck, who’s playing drums for the next couple shows and Alex who’s played with me forever. Just a little four piece, for now. JD Beck is a young guy, right?
 He’s 18, yeah. He’s an absolute alien, I love him. He’s a good kid. He’s a really crazy drummer, much crazier than my music needs. He’s a good friend, and him and DOMi, they have a project together. They’re putting out a record pretty soon, they showed it to me. It’s amazing. It’s fresh. I mean, you’ve done a lot of features recently, it seems. Yeah, I actually have a—well, I won’t give that away. But with the feature stuff, some of them felt more organic, some of them not so much. I don’t really count them as part of my real catalog of music, but it is fun to do. It’s like an alternate universe. Kind of, yeah. I don’t play well with others, it’s not the easiest thing for me unless it’s really comfortable, where I know somebody really well. A couple of those collaborations were I got plopped in a room with somebody. It was like playdate style, and we ended up making something. And it’s like, ehhh. Some of them I really like, but some of them…There’s been a couple instances where it’s like, yeah, I know how many Spotify listeners I have. I feel like I’m getting fleeced a little bit in some of those situations, but at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter. I had some collaborations in New York recently that I was very, very excited about, and it was an equal handshake. It was like, nobody’s trying to do one thing or the other, with, “Oh, I wanna get my music numbers up”. But I’ve had some instances recently where it’s like, “We just wanna make music, and I love making music and you love making music”. It’s just a beautiful thing to do with another person. Well, it’s like on Mac’s Record Label. You’ve got two other people now! I guess Tex Crick is from New York, or?
 No, he’s from a place in Australia called Wollongong, but he lived in Sydney. He was living in New York when he made that record, and now he lives in Tokyo, so. I’ve known Tex for a long time. He used to play with Kirin J Callinan back in the day. I think he still does shows, but nobody’s with him playing because of Covid. But, Tex is an old friend. I really love him. I met him when Kirin was touring with Connan Mockasin, around the same time I met Connan. And we have Vicky Farewell as well, I’m putting out her record. She’s an old friend at this point, too. I met her through Anderson .Paak and the Free Nationals, his band. She’s really close with all of them and they’ve all been playing together forever. And she just made a record, and started sending it to me, and I was like, “Let’s put this out, it’s cool!” I’m excited for her, hopefully it does really well. Yeah, and that about Kirin J Callinan reminds me…I forgot to mention this earlier, but “Shave Me”, I love that video game you made. I was gonna mention that next to the video games earlier. That’s like, my friend’s default tab is Shave Me instead of Google. Oh, that’s amazing! (laughs) When I was younger I was interested in the coding stuff, which probably ties into my interest in video games, and whatever else. But I had an interest in programming and stuff like that, so I have a little bit of a foundation in it. I mean, not enough to get me anywhere now. I learned some script language in this software called Game Maker Studio, it’s one of those engines like Unity or Unreal but it’s for 2D games, more simple games. But, I made that, I made that visualizer. Did you see that other thing I have up on there, that automatic painter thing? There’s an automatic painter software you can download. I made that as well. The idea with that thing was, and I think I’ll bring it back around, but I made this visualizer for this stage and we would have these two giant inflatable screens that I got off Amazon and I’d project this software onto them, and the software is controlled by PlayStation 3 controllers, or whatever controller. So these things are Bluetooth, and the range is really good so I’d take these controllers and throw them in the audience, and whoever has the controller in the audience gets to control the visuals on stage. It was kind of a whole family affair right there. But I realized pretty quick that the controllers would not come back every night. I have to figure out a better rig for it. But yeah, it’s interesting. I remember when I first started putting out records, people used to call me a multimedia artist, and I was like, “No I’m not! I’m a musician!” But now I kinda look at all the things I do and I’m like, “I guess I kind of do multimedia!” It’s weird. Were they talking about music videos at the time, or? I think music videos and video art, yeah. But I didn’t really think that. I was thinking about this the other day, like, I’d hear people talk about, oh, they don’t know what to do with this artist for their album art or oh, what are they gonna do for the video, it’s just like, a lot of stuff for artist is outsourced nowadays and I think that’s fine. It doesn’t matter how something’s made if it’s cool. If it’s cool, then it doesn’t matter. But I’d get in these conversations, and everybody turns to me and they’re like, “Well, what did you do?” and I’m like, “Well I just did it myself.” and they’re like, “Ohh, Mac does everything him-fucking-self!” But, I’ve been doing it long enough where I’m kind of like, well yeah, I do make my own album art, I record all the fucking music myself, I make the music videos myself for the most part. There’s a pride, I feel like I have a bit of pride about it, finally. That’s great! Yeah, it’s weird. I dunno. And then, so, a few other things about collaborations. I mean, Juan Wauters, which is awesome. You’ve been working with him for a while, right? 
We were on the same label and I always loved his music, and we ended up taking him on tour. We got to know him pretty well, and when I ended up moving into the house in Rockaway, he lived there for a while with us and a couple of his friends that I met through him were all very close. But yeah, Juan is amazing. Very inspirational, amazing musician and a kind of force. But when he was doing that record, the collaboration record, that was one of those instances where that was really great. It was really fun, and me and Juan have known each other for a long time. We’ve recorded a lot together over the years. I think he’s amazing. And there’s some overlap. I interviewed this guy Graham Smith, who’s friends with DJ Douggpound. And I heard Tim Heidecker, you were working on producing an album of his. Yeah. I don’t know if producing is the right word, but my friend Drew was doing his record with him and they needed a spot to come do some stuff and they came over to mine, so we ended up tracking a lot of, like, bed recordings. We’d kinda track live to the tape machine and Tim would sing and play guitar. I don’t think the record’s out yet but it should be out soon. And it was nice because Tim came correctly, he had a bunch of songs really well rehearsed, he knew what he wanted to do. And Drew’s an amazing musician. And Drew’d write me a chart and I’d tap along on the guitar or bass. He’s got that soft rock, Randy Newman shit going on. Yeah, he’s really good. It’s sick. I also really love the Enter Sandman thing you did. Oh, thank you. It was funny with the Sandman thing, cuz I initially tried to make it sound like my music, like really small and weird. Kind of warbly, DI’d guitars. I tried a couple times and was finally like, this doesn’t work. You kind of have to make this song sound like this song. My friend Dan helped me record it, because I don’t really ever do distorted guitars. But he was like, “We’re gonna get this crazy thing that makes your guitar sound like how it sounded on the record!” and we just went right to town and it turned out completely insane. It was fun, it was cool that they tapped me for that. I’d love to hear a Mac DeMarco massive-cock rock-album. (laughs) I mean, I’ve had that idea. I think Rock and Roll Night Club is the closest I can come to something like that. I just don’t know how to write that kind of song. Like that “Yeah, baby baby!” I just can’t do it. Well, y’know. Just grow some hair on your chest. Yeah, I’ll give it a shot. That’s awesome, thank god. And the last question I always ask is, what have you been listening to? Reading, watching, whatever. For a long chunk of this trip, especially because I’ve been in the car a lot without service or WiFi, the only movie I have downloaded on my computer is The Shining. So I’ve watched The Shining a loooot of times over the last couple months. What that does to a man…Yes, it set a certain mood, but I enjoyed it. That and I’ve been listening to American Psycho on audiobook while I’ve been driving around, and people are gonna read this and be like, “What the fuck is wrong with this guy?” Man, just going into hotels listening to that and watching The Shining.

Yeah, it’s really strange. (laughs) But, music…There’s this one song off the soundtrack to the movie Midnight Cowboy called “Florida Dream”, and I love this song. “Da da da da dun da daaa!” So, there’s that. That’s a fuckin killer soundtrack all the way through! Yeah, it’s great. I’ve been listening to a lot of Lou Reed while I’ve been in New York. It kinda put me in that New York mood. I love him, I think he’s the GOAT. You’ve listened to that Metallica, Lou Reed thing? Like, “small town girls”?

(laughs) Yeah, Lulu. I remember when that came out, it was psycho. I always listen to a lot of Brazilian music, like Caetano Veloso. Oh yeah. That’s a huge thing I’ve been listening to, the one from 1969 with the white cover. It’s awesome. And there’s this guy Yasuaki Shimizu, he made this album that everybody’s seen the cover of. It’s the red album with the cat called Kakashi. I LOVE that record! But he put out a record this year that I’ve been spinning quite a bit. He’s very dope. And other than that, mainly just the Final Fantasy 10 soundtrack. That’s pretty much it. That’s the constant. Exactly. But thanks so much for chatting. Kai, the pleasure was mine. Very good questions, you killed the game. Thank you so much.